Power supply of xeon03 doesn't work #2

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opened 2023-04-04 10:52:44 +02:00 by rarias · 23 comments
rarias commented 2023-04-04 10:52:44 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

It doesn't turn the OK LED.

Model is DPS-750XB A, REV: 05F

It doesn't turn the OK LED. Model is DPS-750XB A, REV: 05F
rarias commented 2023-04-04 12:30:55 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Here is the power supply picture:

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The output is 0 V for the 12 V large pins, however the 3.3 V output is working.

After opening the case:

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The filter close to the power connector seems like an after thought.

Here is the power supply picture: ![5D03B6B5-1CF6-41E4-B6EA-0C9BFA3CDFFE](/uploads/6e17887dcaf042f226f7b63affe875cd/5D03B6B5-1CF6-41E4-B6EA-0C9BFA3CDFFE.jpeg) The output is 0 V for the 12 V large pins, however the 3.3 V output is working. After opening the case: ![A1B03F67-34AC-404C-965D-C3D5D783C9BA](/uploads/f85fb688f14fd6d00b07d3ac9278e330/A1B03F67-34AC-404C-965D-C3D5D783C9BA.jpeg) The filter close to the power connector seems like an after thought.
rarias commented 2023-04-04 12:32:08 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Damm, I accidentally must have damaged this diode(?), close to pin 45, I will need to re-solder it. It seems like it had a cold solder.

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This 24C02WP Serial EEPROM seems a bit off:

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Damm, I accidentally must have damaged this diode(?), close to pin 45, I will need to re-solder it. It seems like it had a cold solder. ![51A65DEE-D51A-4824-99E3-76B300B98057](/uploads/cafe158b3a6702f2599ba230457fc63a/51A65DEE-D51A-4824-99E3-76B300B98057.jpeg) This 24C02WP Serial EEPROM seems a bit off: ![30E60341-797D-45A9-BF61-A46D0ED362ED](/uploads/e30c6747d041bea479296ebe06403af2/30E60341-797D-45A9-BF61-A46D0ED362ED.jpeg)
rarias commented 2023-04-04 16:40:40 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

This issue can be debugged further by checking at which point the power supply fails to deliver the proper voltage, but it will take some time. Provided that these power supplies are not very expensive (100-200 €) it seems a better option to order another as replacement. I ordered in petition:

https://webapps.bsc.es/resource-petitions/normal-petition/17545

In the meanwhile I can try to revive it.

This issue can be debugged further by checking at which point the power supply fails to deliver the proper voltage, but it will take some time. Provided that these power supplies are not very expensive (100-200 €) it seems a better option to order another as replacement. I ordered in petition: https://webapps.bsc.es/resource-petitions/normal-petition/17545 In the meanwhile I can try to revive it.
rarias commented 2023-04-05 18:21:54 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Let's solder this Zener:

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Let's solder this Zener: ![vlcsnap-2023-04-05-18h18m16s626](/uploads/70fba032dd21d81b1f35f205dcfc5ce1/vlcsnap-2023-04-05-18h18m16s626.png)
rarias commented 2023-04-05 20:14:15 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The pad is broken, but this seems to be a 5.1 V zener: https://www.newark.com/nexperia/pdz5-1b-115/zener-single-diode-5-1v-2-sod/dp/34R4470

The pad is broken, but this seems to be a 5.1 V zener: https://www.newark.com/nexperia/pdz5-1b-115/zener-single-diode-5-1v-2-sod/dp/34R4470
rarias commented 2023-04-11 11:44:48 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

assigned to @rarias

assigned to @rarias
rarias commented 2023-04-11 23:40:05 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Ordered some replacement 5V1 SOT-323 Zener diodes.

Ordered some replacement 5V1 SOT-323 Zener diodes.
rarias commented 2023-04-18 15:06:25 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Temporarily I moved the power supply from the oss01 node to xeon03, so we can use it for SLURM.

Temporarily I moved the power supply from the oss01 node to xeon03, so we can use it for SLURM.
rarias commented 2023-04-20 14:37:00 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The 5V1 Zener diodes arrived from China.

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The 5V1 Zener diodes arrived from China. ![8EC60ADA-6F32-4466-8722-A715D7693708](/uploads/4a6bad6a3572c2a53c6e951d59638156/8EC60ADA-6F32-4466-8722-A715D7693708.jpeg)
rarias commented 2023-04-20 16:04:35 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

mentioned in issue #8

mentioned in issue #8
rarias commented 2023-04-21 11:03:30 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The Z8 Zener in the board doesn't seem to be a 5.1 V but is more close to 5.6V, so a better replacement is W9. Here is a partial V-I trace of reverse current:

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I try to do a full trace as soon as I manage to generate a suitable waveform.

In any case, is seems to be used as 5V over protection of the digital channel isolator (ADUM1410), so I don't think the value is critical.

The Z8 Zener in the board doesn't seem to be a 5.1 V but is more close to 5.6V, so a better replacement is W9. Here is a partial V-I trace of reverse current: ![cmp](/uploads/e860d3799f5334e3b21b933fe68368e8/cmp.png) I try to do a full trace as soon as I manage to generate a suitable waveform. In any case, is seems to be used as 5V over protection of the digital channel isolator (ADUM1410), so I don't think the value is critical.
rarias commented 2023-04-24 09:43:55 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Here is the approximate V-I curve of the original Z8 zener and the replacements I got W8 and W9 labeled 5V1 and 5V6 respectively.

v-i

The Z8 has a breakdown voltage of 5.1V and matches the W8 zener, however the reverse current curve in the W diodes is slower. The ADUM 1410 can withstand up to 7 V of supply voltage, so it should be okay to use any of the W8 or W9 diodes.

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Here is the approximate V-I curve of the original Z8 zener and the replacements I got W8 and W9 labeled 5V1 and 5V6 respectively. ![v-i](/uploads/a412db8f86edec75759e1123960cb727/v-i.png) The Z8 has a breakdown voltage of 5.1V and matches the W8 zener, however the reverse current curve in the W diodes is slower. The ADUM 1410 can withstand up to 7 V of supply voltage, so it should be okay to use any of the W8 or W9 diodes. ![max](/uploads/de0e428cb248f1351b82caebce6613f8/max.png)
rarias commented 2023-04-24 10:36:11 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The power supply pinout is given in the board manual:

pinout

The power supply pinout is given in the board manual: ![pinout](/uploads/3fe37cbae4a3828efa6a839991f10043/pinout.png)
rarias commented 2023-04-24 10:58:18 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The RC community has used this power supply to charge batteries. In this post, after a crazy mod, the shorted pin marked with SGND is grounded to enable the power supply. This pin corresponds with the A21, named FM_PS_EN_PSU_N, which makes sense.

The RC community has used this power supply to charge batteries. In [this](https://www.flitetest.com/articles/modifying-a-dps-750xb-server-power-supply) post, after a crazy mod, the shorted pin marked with SGND is grounded to enable the power supply. This pin corresponds with the A21, named FM_PS_EN_PSU_N, which makes sense.
rarias commented 2023-04-24 19:22:21 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Replaced with W8.

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Replaced with W8. ![vlcsnap-2023-04-24-19h18m58s579](/uploads/5b641164153b9ee7a9cacb42f153cf3e/vlcsnap-2023-04-24-19h18m58s579.png)
rarias commented 2023-04-24 19:38:33 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

I put it back together.

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I put it back together. ![73C5F35A-0A21-4E70-85AB-6321AFC3E9C6](/uploads/22d03722e74fb1eb996f19ec8b5e206c/73C5F35A-0A21-4E70-85AB-6321AFC3E9C6.jpeg)
rarias commented 2023-04-24 19:39:06 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Lets see if it powers up or blows.

Lets see if it powers up or blows.
rarias commented 2023-04-24 19:49:06 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

So far it starts and outputs 3.3V on some of the A19, A20, A21 pins, but nothing on the +12V. The A25 PWROK is 0V, so it seems to be not OK.

So far it starts and outputs 3.3V on some of the A19, A20, A21 pins, but nothing on the +12V. The A25 PWROK is 0V, so it seems to be not OK.
rarias commented 2023-04-24 20:09:01 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

To debug it further I will need to start poking at the 12 V power rail upstream and see if the main coil is being switched. I will also need to do some reverse engineering of the bad ass digital control board, which contains some PIC controllers, and see if they give me some clue of the problem (there may be a serial port exposed). But for that I will need an isolation transformer to avoid blowing the scope, as that part of the circuit is not isolated from the AC line.

Additionally I will need a way to power it while keeping the PCB exposed (probably it requires the fan to be plugged in too). Maybe I can solder some test wires to the interesting pins, but this will not be free of hazard. Specially if I cannot plug it to a properly grounded outlet.

To debug it further I will need to start poking at the 12 V power rail upstream and see if the main coil is being switched. I will also need to do some reverse engineering of the bad ass digital control board, which contains some PIC controllers, and see if they give me some clue of the problem (there may be a serial port exposed). But for that I will need an isolation transformer to avoid blowing the scope, as that part of the circuit is *not isolated* from the AC line. Additionally I will need a way to power it while keeping the PCB exposed (probably it requires the fan to be plugged in too). Maybe I can solder some test wires to the interesting pins, but this will not be free of hazard. Specially if I cannot plug it to a properly grounded outlet.
rarias commented 2023-04-26 13:18:20 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Estimated time of arrival of replacement power supply is May 8-12.

Estimated time of arrival of replacement power supply is May 8-12.
rarias commented 2023-04-26 17:03:41 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

Arrived to helpdesk.

Arrived to helpdesk.
rarias commented 2023-05-02 16:39:33 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

I connected the new power supply to the oss01 machine, but it doesn't boot. The BIOS produces the code 1-5-4-2, which is emitted when there is a problem with the power supply.

  • Test if the power supply works in another node that is known to boot.
I connected the new power supply to the oss01 machine, but it doesn't boot. The BIOS produces the code 1-5-4-2, which is emitted when there is a problem with the power supply. - [ ] Test if the power supply works in another node that is known to boot.
rarias commented 2023-09-26 17:21:11 +02:00 (Migrated from pm.bsc.es)

The problem with the power supply was caused by the short circuit in the oss01 node. There has been no evidence yet that the power supply is bad.

The problem with the power supply was caused by the short circuit in the oss01 node. There has been no evidence yet that the power supply is bad.
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